suggested this on May 10, 2012 00:56
We have several Cardo Scala Rider devices in our group (like Q2 and G4), and it would be THE selling argument for a Sena to be able to connect to devices from other brands.
I know that this is not as easy as it sounds, but it would be the killer. :)
Thank you for your suggestion. We will do the possibility of connecting SMH10 with the Cardo headset. We will keep you informed later.
I agree, would like to be able to connect to other riders in our group that use Scala units.
Count me in, love to see this function.
And another vote
It seems to me that it would be killer to have the Sena unit be the swiss army knife of bluetooth headsets.
Hopefully you could also look into pairing with the UClear units - I have several friends using UClear and being able to connect to them without re-investing in a UClear unit myself would be awesome.
It would be great to be able to connect to Scala units. The group I ride with are split between Sena and Cardio units, with a few others mixed in.
Yes, please!! :) Same here, mostly Sena and Cardo...
I have a really old Cardo Q2 that doesn't even have a 3mm input jack for an iPod, and the radio reception sucks. I'd love to upgrade to a Sena, but my riding buddies all have a Cardo. Not being able to talk to them is the only thing keeping from getting a new Sena headset.
I have recently given up on my cardo set and moved to sena but my friends still have cardos, it would be great to be able to pair up with my riding buddies. The sena seem much more user friendly and I would recommend them.
I too just switched from a Scala to the Sena. Several friends are considering the same move but are hesitant because they can not communicate with old outdated friends with inferior communication products. I hope Sena is the 1st to allow communication with other brands, many many people would join Sena if they are.
I want to buy a pair of SMH10's but cannot justify the purchase unless I can communicate with other systems including Interphone as I ride with a number of different groups.
I don't think this is a feature that will ever be seen. The major brands, whether it be Sena, Scala, Interphone, Chatterbox, etc., want you to buy their units and they want your friends to buy their units. I would guess the motivation to allow units to talk to each other, is probably less than zero from all of the major manufacturers.
I think, in the long run they will have to. If you look at markets, in the long run the best (or sadly sometimes the cheapest) product suppresses all the other products, and if you want wo survive as a company, you have to manufacture such a product or make something that is at least compatible.
So someday some company WILL come up with a headset that can at least connect to one other brand, and that will be a heavy advantage for that company, if their marketing department knows its job.
And interoperability is the next "must have" for bluetooth headsets, customers want that! And the companies in that market listen to the customers, you can see that when you look at what customers wanted in the last years. First, they wanted easy handling, they got it. It was a hell to operate the first headsets, you needed to know the exact sequences to do what you want. Now, they even talk to you... Then, they wanted range. First, you got 10 meters max, now we have one and a half kilometers. After that, conference talk. Cardo started it, now Sena and Interphone also have this feature.
Actually, people ask for interoperability, and I think, someone will listen and bring the ball to roll.
And then, every other company will have to bring out something interchangeable if they want to keep their position in the market, and they need to do so quickly.
Because of that, it would not surprise me to learn if the headset manufacturers already talked about a common protocol, or at the very least are secretly researching ways to do it.
It is very necessary! In Russia a lot of the Scala Rider. Gradually, all would go over to the Sena!
It will be a great feature for Russian market - most of riders use scala here, but it's price is too high for the same amount of features and quality.
Riders, we are testing to intercom with other brands currently, and this function will be applied on future SMH10 firmware.
Thank you for your patients.
SUPER! In Russia will be a big increase in sales! I already posted the news on the main site kvadrotsiklisty Russia. This was the main question!
Awesome news, thanks Sena!
Cool, thank you! :)
My wife and I are a Scala G4 owners, but she's got the Bell Mag 9 helmet which integrates with the Sena seamlessly and we would prefer to have the seamless employ vs a Scala add-on for helmets. But I don't have a Bell Mag 9 at this point and my Scala won't be able to communicate with her Sena (if we got her one). If Sena could hook up to Scala - I would definitely buy a Sena immediately.
Excellent News, I appreciate Sena continuing to improve the function and value of their products after purchase. That generate enormous loyalty. Thanks!
Agree, awesome news... But please hurry up ;-)
Waiting patiently for this SW update to the SMH10R before I purchase. Need to pair it with my wife's Schuberth SRC-S.
What a huge feature that would be! I can't imagine why connecting with a competing brand (Scala) would be a bad thing for Sena. Being able to communicate with riders with other headsets would definitely make Sena the leader in the field. I guarantee that when searching for a new Bluetooth headset, ability to communicate with Scala would convince me to buy Sena.
So I read a little farther down and see that they're onto it! That's great news. I'll be ordering a new Sena next week. I was hesitating because of so many of my friends that have Scala.
It would be nice quick! And that is written almost a year "planned"
Has this been resolved yet? I am looking to buy and need it to link with a Scala Cardo Q2
Dave, nothing in the release notes for the current versions specify being able to communicate with other manufacturer's units. I've been waiting a long time for this as well. 14 months of testing seems like a long time to not have an answer yet, so it may never come.
Could we please have some status on this capability.
It would be outstanding if the competing companies could establish a basic communication standard so each manufacturer could concentrate on features, ease of use, and durability to attract customers. With the several standards, one currently has to choose what their riding buddies happen to have (whether they like it or not). I hope Sena stands in a leadership position on this.
Ninety days ago we were told that this functionality was "in test" and would be applied in "future firmware". I know how product testing goes and that most likely this has to get FCC certification but ninety days? Well, I hope we hear something soon. Riding season is in full swing.
Any word on this? Surely Sena would only benefit from this as a feature, why would anyone buy anything different?
Also if you are getting close to this as a breakthrough, please add it to the SMH-10R firmware as well!
Any word on this yet?
So we have all been making encouraging remarks for over a year now, patiently hoping Sena will respond or surprise us with a solution. But one has to wonder, is this something they really want to solve, or after careful consideration has the accounting department of Sena come to the conclusion that opening up to other brands will not increase purchases of the Sena products, but perhaps allow consumers to purchase other brands. I hope I am wrong in this, but if I am wrong why has Sena not given us a single update in 16 months. (their last response was 5/10/2012) and if you re-read their last response "Thank you for your suggestion. We will do the possibility of connecting SMH10 with the Cardo headset. We will keep you informed later." it is starting to sound like a response from a company that is unsure where they want to go with it. Don't get me wrong, I own a pair of SMH10s and I have converted one fellow rider to the SMH10; still working on the other friends...But wait, is that exactly what Sena is hoping for???
I think one thing that is forgotten in the process of compatibility between various models, is that it requires a dance partner, or in the case of all of these different brands, multiple partners. Sena can say they want to investigate compatibility between multiple brands, but if Scala, Blue Ant, Interphone, Blinc, etc. aren't willing to play as well, I believe it's a no go. Takes two to tango.
It's a shame. One of my HOG chapter groups has 40 Road Captains. There is talk about going Bluetooth instead of CB for leader to tail gunner communications. CB stinks, with it's interference, bad audio quality, simplex operation, etc.). They'd make the switch in a New York second if the two major brands were compatible. I hope they're working on it. So many of my friends have Scala; and since I can't hear them, they talk about me when I'm on rides with 'em. (Just kidding)
Sena has to understand that we buy the sena brand for it's quality and it has to be compatible with others. it is like when you buy a television, you buy it becoause you like it but all the brands can see the same chanels. regards.
Francisco, unfortunately the television analogy is really not a very good one. These are not televisions. They do require pairing with individual headsets that you allow to be paired, and use a challenge/response system to make sure that your communications are not received by everyone with a headset.
Devices can be built using universally accepted standards for communications, but they don't have to be, and none of the intercom manufacturers currently do, for the intercom functions. As I mentioned above, it requires 2 to Tango, just to get 2 brands to work with each other. More dance partners for every brand to work together.
Sena can say they want their headset to work with every other brand, but it's not just that simple. Scala, Chatterbox, BlueAnt, Interphone, Blinc, etc. also have to make their headsets compatible with Sena.
How many of the people getting on Sena about interoperability have also contacted Scala Scala, Chatterbox, BlueAnt, Interphone, Blinc, etc., and have also gotten on them about producing headsets compatible with Scala?
Can anyone name another brand of bluetooth headset that is compatible with every other brand? Scala? No, Chatterbox? No, BlueAnt? No, Interphone? No, Blinc? No
Others have to step up and play as well, before interoperability between brands becomes a reality. Call or write to them all, maybe they will eventually get it.
thanks for the answer. i like Sena because its quality, so the conectivity will be a plus, i will stay with sena.
Sena, Are you able to provide an estimate as to when this firmware update will be available? At the moment, I cannot talk to my best friend while riding because he has Scala headsets. I'd rather not sell mine and buy a set of those.
I totally support this idea!!
Very disappointing that SENA has not been able to deliver on what we were led to believe was going to happen -- in a reasonable time frame. Tech Support's level of credibility has diminished greatly in my eyes.
Could be worse. Cardo has left it's users hanging for more than a year. People with iPhones can't hang up on calls without turning the cardo system off completely.
Sena, if you think this is possible let us know and if not let us know in order to have an answers. there is nothing wrong saying what can and cant be done. thanks.
The issue seriously delayed
I think this would help Sena more than hurt. I have tried Sena and Scala and the jog dial is a simplistic design that gives it the edge. So I think if Sena continues to make simple and innovative products it will keep them ahead of the competition. I am keeping one Scala in case I ride with someone that uses Scala. Otherwise, if Sena paired with Scala I would sell the Scala and buy another Sena.
I bought Sena dual smh10 units. Very happy with them. My wife doesn't like helmet music so that wasn't a problem. I upgraded her helmet to the Bell Mag9 Sena and imagine my surprise when the headset wouldn't fit! I now have to buy another clamp set which is purchased from Bell to allow the Sena to fit. Nobody told me about that.
For whatever it's worth,
At the Progressive motorcycle show today in Dallas, the Scala representative told me that Sena will be compatible very soon. He thought that maybe even by the first of the year. Now, remember . . . he's not a Sena rep, so he may not know any more than we know. But apparently, the word is out to Scala that the compatibility is coming.
I just bought a Sena set at the UK Bike show yesterday. The rep there had just been to the dealer conference and confirmed they were working on the compatibility with other BT headsets. Availability is looking at next year via a firmware upgrade...
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